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Old 07-26-2008, 11:32 PM
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Re: what spring would give me best performance?

It is when additonal shots are fired by accident because the trigger is really light or the microswitch is light and the trigger bounces off your finger or electronically and causes a second or following unintentional shot/shots.

Many speedball leagues check for bounces to make sure no gun has is. It increases fire rate, or gives advantage to the user because they dont have to fire ass quickly to get as many shots out.

If you set your gun to lets say 2 ms debounce, you will notice your marker firing more erratically than say 20 ms all in semi-automatic. Debounce doesnt effect your battery life either. Its just the time it needs to "reset" or time needed to detect another pull and firings again.
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Re: what spring would give me best performance?

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What is the force required to push the hammer from the valve pin? Once the hammer is pushed back, the valve is closed. I think too much is being made of the difference in valve dwell.

If you play around with an electro, you can see that the valve dwell are mesaured in ms. A huge difference can be made from a 14 ms dwell to a 16 ms dwell. 2ms can make a huge difference.
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Re: what spring would give me best performance?

I use the meduim soft trinity spring.... I have tried the stiffest, and medium hard springs with less consistancy then the medium soft.
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Re: what spring would give me best performance?

since i saw on a thread here that a lpk helps consistency by about 3fps less of fluctuation, i was thinking of making a custom LPK for my alpha black. i know this is an A5 site but i hope you guys can help. since the alpha black doesn't have a drop in kit, ill just get the 98c lpk and make my own lp chamber. do you think this is a good efficient design? or should i do it completely different? or am i just stupid thinking of doing it this way?

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Re: what spring would give me best performance?

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since i saw on a thread here that a lpk helps consistency by about 3fps less of fluctuation, i was thinking of making a custom LPK for my alpha black. i know this is an A5 site but i hope you guys can help. since the alpha black doesn't have a drop in kit, ill just get the 98c lpk and make my own lp chamber. do you think this is a good efficient design? or should i do it completely different? or am i just stupid thinking of doing it this way?


The bottom LPC isn't necessary, but the one in the mag well should be a bit bigger. I believe its recommended to have atleast 2 in^3 internal volume in an LPC.

The valve will need to be ported for addtional flow and a new lighter valve spring installed. The valve stem may also ned to be modified, but I am unsure. My LP valve stems are thicker than HP valve stems. Or you could infact buy the 98 LP kit and garentee it will work. and then you won't have to worry about lightening the hammer.

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Re: what spring would give me best performance?

looks good to me. i dont understand what you mean by "I believe its recommended to have atleast 2 in^3 internal volume in an LPC."

i would buy a 98 LPK and use the lp valve but make my own LP chamber. i would also use a titanium bolt and light spring from my spring kit.
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Re: what spring would give me best performance?

Sorry, "2 Inches cubed" of regulated air in volume.

No need for a hammer and spring kit since the 98 LP kit already has one. Looks like a direct fit too.
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Re: what spring would give me best performance?

oh yea...stupid me lol.

i know i could use the LPK's hammer but if i get a ti bolt, it would make my gun a lot less recoil. recoil is just as important to get rid of as lowering velocity fluctuation because if the gun keeps moving every shot, balls are not going to be hitting the same area.

the reason i want to get a LPK in there is because i hear it helps lower fluctuation by about 3fps. the only reason i think it does is because the reg operates on a lower pressure allowing it to output air more consistently, or so i been told. would that be the only reason?

someone in this thread a few pages back said that if the valve is open for a less time, the less the air is going to fluctuate. so i was thinking, would having a HP valve with a soft spring, ti hammer, and a cusom small volumizer help with consitancy more then a LPK? i think that the volumizer will help a HP valve in consistency because if there is more air stored ready to burts in the valve, more air will go in the valve in that short amount of time which would allow you to turn the regs output down or even better...use a lighter spring. the volumizer would, obviously, help with consistency when shooting fast too. i also think that the ti hammer will need less blowback gasses to push it back meaning you could turn the regs outout down or even use a softer spring.

with my tanks output pressure of 850psi and my PPS reg's output of 850psi, thats should help with consistency too, i think. IMO, all the stuff i said above about the HP with volumizer, ect. would be the best most consistent choice. im not 100% though so anyone input is welcome to my setup idea.
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Re: what spring would give me best performance?

Where should I buy the springs from? Looking to make the purchase.
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Model 98 Internals at ActionVillage.com : Paintball
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