The Comprehensive Thread on the Tippmann LPK

[WarCowboy]

Wow, I guess I am spoiled by my spool valve markers.
Im not low till Im under 165psi. lol
And I'll bet they are a lot quieter than even your LPK A5.
But thats the difference in mechanical vs electro pneumatic.

[WarCowboy]

Originally Posted by therealmikeg

I run a LPK on my A-5 at a hair above 300psi. I regulate velocity strictly with my PPS Stab and have consistency of about +-7fps. I also run my A-5 on full auto with a APE 2.0 e-grip set to the MGRF which is set to the board max.

If you think the reason to run the LPK is to use a LPA bottle, then you obviously have too many LPA bottles. I run the LPK on my A-5 to go on the same tank for twice as long.

Not only that, but my gun is ridiculously quiet compared to other markers. Quieter than other A-5s with heavily ported barrels? Yes. Quieter than electros with all kinds of barrels? Yes.

While I don't care about how loud my marker is, it is something that people take notice of. Its a side-effect of the lighter internals.


The other big advantage of the LPK is how many shots you get when your tank starts getting low. I think most A-5 owners consider their tank low when they're reading 800psi on the reg. I find that I have hundreds of shots left.

Got to thinking about what you said here, and wanted to see if I understand you correctly.
Your saying you can rip out high rates of fire sustained with your marker running at only 300psi?
If this is the case, I just dont see how a palmers stabilizer wouldnt do about as well without the LPK at 450psi.
I have some testing to do.

[AirH0g]

Originally Posted by WarCowboy

Got to thinking about what you said here, and wanted to see if I understand you correctly.
Your saying you can rip out high rates of fire sustained with your marker running at only 300psi?
If this is the case, I just dont see how a palmers stabilizer wouldnt do about as well without the LPK at 450psi.
I have some testing to do.

In lieu of pressure you will need more volume, you just wont have enough pressure and volume to get the ball up to speed at 450 PSI. Your only looking at about 200FPS at that input. Thats even with a gold tube, Mad man red, and JCS RVA jacked up all the way.

This all old hat though, this train of thought was covered in detail throughout the years, i remember back on the original A5OG people mentioning getting down to around 650PSI with varying degrees of success using different combos. I'm sure theres quite a bit of info on here as well regarding the topic.

The A5 is and always will be an airhog, the valve is pretty inefficient, turning it in to a space gun just isn't in the cards, and making it more efficient will cost just as much, if not more than a LPK and still wont yield the same results. The LPK had it's place, it was not well received since A5 owners rarely care about efficiency and how many balls they could be milking there 20 ounce CO2 for. It's loud it's fun and it and can be tuned to rip pretty fast, it's the American musclecar of the paintball world, doing what it does by using brute force and power, and i believe thats what people love (or hate) about it.


Welcome to the world of the A5

[Twigz]

Originally Posted by AirH0g

In lieu of pressure you will need more volume, you just wont have enough pressure and volume to get the ball up to speed at 450 PSI. Your only looking at about 200FPS at that input. Thats even with a gold tube, Mad man red, and JCS RVA jacked up all the way.

This all old hat though, this train of thought was covered in detail throughout the years, i remember back on the original A5OG people mentioning getting down to around 650PSI with varying degrees of success using different combos. I'm sure theres quite a bit of info on here as well regarding the topic.

The A5 is and always will be an airhog, the valve is pretty inefficient, turning it in to a space gun just isn't in the cards, and making it more efficient will cost just as much, if not more than a LPK and still wont yield the same results. The LPK had it's place, it was not well received since A5 owners rarely care about efficiency and how many balls they could be milking there 20 ounce CO2 for. It's loud it's fun and it and can be tuned to rip pretty fast, it's the American musclecar of the paintball world, doing what it does by using brute force and power, and i believe thats what people love (or hate) about it.


Welcome to the world of the A5

Oh no!!!!!! You made have angered the A5 gods, or god rather... We all love the A5 not because of it's air efficiency or its quietness and all that nonsense, but because it is a beast that will never fail you and you can do this to it:




and this: YouTube - Tippmann A5 RT shooting underwater do that with a gun that operates at 150 psi!

[therealmikeg]

Originally Posted by WarCowboy

Got to thinking about what you said here, and wanted to see if I understand you correctly.
Your saying you can rip out high rates of fire sustained with your marker running at only 300psi?
If this is the case, I just dont see how a palmers stabilizer wouldnt do about as well without the LPK at 450psi.
I have some testing to do.

I've already done the testing for you. With the same mods, minus the LPK, I can get the gun down to about 600psi.

Also, I define my tanks as 'low' when I have about one more full game left. I tend to use about half a case of paint per game.

[WarCowboy]

Originally Posted by Twigz

and this: YouTube - Tippmann A5 RT shooting underwater do that with a gun that operates at 150 psi!

Case and point. Not to mention its an electronic marker.
YouTube - Vibe & SP-1 Water Resistance
YouTube - Moisture Test

YouTube - Vibe & SP-1 Low Force Bolt
YouTube - SP-1 and Vibe Tongue Demo
YouTube - Vibe & SP-1 Recoil Comparison
YouTube - Vibe & SP-1 Efficiency
YouTube - Vibe and SP-1 CO2 set-up
YouTube - Vibe and SP-1 Select Fire

With all these vids, I will not defend the way these things look. Uuuugggglllly.

[therealmikeg]

I don't know. I like the look of the SP1. Speedball guns are just ugly. I don't like the SP8. Despite the fact that it looks just like a real HK, it still has a overly plastic look to me.

The thing with the LPK is that I could probably lower the pressure even further if I could adjust the tension of the valve spring. I've been able to get the gun to work under 300psi, but it will start farting air under high rates of fire.

[Twigz]

Originally Posted by WarCowboy

Case and point. Not to mention its an electronic marker.
YouTube - Vibe & SP-1 Water Resistance
YouTube - Moisture Test

YouTube - Vibe & SP-1 Low Force Bolt
YouTube - SP-1 and Vibe Tongue Demo
YouTube - Vibe & SP-1 Recoil Comparison
YouTube - Vibe & SP-1 Efficiency
YouTube - Vibe and SP-1 CO2 set-up
YouTube - Vibe and SP-1 Select Fire

With all these vids, I will not defend the way these things look. Uuuugggglllly.

Smart Parts? Really? Please, I'm not saying that the A5 is the only marker that can shoot underwater and be fine but I'd like to see you stick an ego in a pool on drop it in the mud and have the bolt still work fine. I might buy a 98c and put it to the true test. Mud, water, sand, everything.

[WarCowboy]

mikeg - I have to agree with the plastic on the SP8.
Although its pretty tough, they should have used fiber reinforced plastic like they did with the SP1. Much better looking, and feeling.

Twigs - I dont know about the Ego's in general, but my cousin runs an Etek, and he uses it pretty roughly, and in the rain. Never failed him. Mud might be a different story, but this is something you try and avoid even with real weapons.

[WarCowboy]

Well, has anyone seen this?
Product Listing -
Notice the CP reg on the A5?
What is you all's opinion on this?