The Comprehensive Thread on the Tippmann LPK

[therealmikeg]

Originally Posted by WarCowboy

Well, has anyone seen this?
Product Listing -
Notice the CP reg on the A5?
What is you all's opinion on this?

Its still not low pressure. With a reg you can drop the pressure usage by max 200psi. With a LPK you can drop the pressure 450psi.

With that setup, for $350, you're only getting a Rhythm grip and polished internals. So you're basically paying $15 for polished internals. Its far from a deal.

Also, I think they may have raised the prices on their grips.

[WarCowboy]

The question wasnt pertaining towards whether it was considered to be low pressure or not.
Im trying to make since of everyones claims on multiple levels.
I hear in the same thread that you cannot use a CP reg due to over pressurization of the regs max output, which is said that you cannot exceed for consistency.
Also its been said here that if you do bring the pressure down to the regs operating limits, then you will get bad drop off and inconsistency with any sort of high cps sustained, caused by lack of volume buildup per shot.
If these things are the case, then bluntly either you guys caught a rip off in action, or you dont know what your talking about.
Thats about as strait forward as I can get without posting up a drawn out question.
Please take no offense, I only mean to get strait to the point.

[JackRock]

No, I know why you posted it, and I am curious. That's a good find, WC. I will probably call them in the next week to find out WTH. Maybe there's more mods that they are not listing, or they have a special regulator.

Definitely brings a new angle to the discussion.

[WarCowboy]

Wrote them myself, got this in return for all to see.

Hi Josh,
When I was building the Tippmann Effect markers a couple of years ago I tried a lot of different things with regs. To reliably get 300 fps I had to run the CP regs at 600 psi. What I do is make a delrin shim that goes in the spring stack to stiffen it up a little.Depending on the paint size you might get away with 550 psi, when I played indoor and the field speed was 250 I could get away with 450 psi. I have also had issues with the cyclone feeding below 450 psi. I have done several cyclone mods with the Tec-T parts and found they actually needed more pressure than the stock cyclone. As far as rates of fire and drop off I only use the Rampage boards on PSP mode which is 15 bps and I see no drop off at any of the pressures. I'm not going to say you can't run an A-5 at 400 psi but to do it you must get lucky and get receivers on the tight side and possibly shooting at lower velocity. Hope this helps.


Thanks,

Rick Lawler
Rhythm Innovation

[45jimmy]

i just installed my palmers male stab on my lpk. the stabilizer was preset at 400psi and when i shot it the first few times, it was screaming "set to a higher psi". so i set it to 600-650psi.

do i have to break-in the stab before i can achieve the lower psi level?

[WarCowboy]

The break in period mostly affects how the recharge consistency is from what I understand.
When the o-rings are new, they need to wear down a little to be able to slide in the valve chamber smoothly enough to be quick and consistent.
So as long as you are shooting in semi, the reg should be pretty consistent without break in time.

Just what I have noticed with testing regs myself.
The info Im suggesting could be disputed, but it makes since to me.

[AirH0g]

Originally Posted by WarCowboy

The break in period mostly affects how the recharge consistency is from what I understand.
When the o-rings are new, they need to wear down a little to be able to slide in the valve chamber smoothly enough to be quick and consistent.
So as long as you are shooting in semi, the reg should be pretty consistent without break in time.

Just what I have noticed with testing regs myself.
The info Im suggesting could be disputed, but it makes since to me.

Actually it has more to do with springs and valves seating themselves at the pressure you dialed in. Theres nothing inside a reg that moves with every shot, the stem may move a hair due to small pressure drops every time you fire, but theres nothing inside that moves and slides on orings as described above.

I got your package out by the way WC

[WarCowboy]

Originally Posted by AirH0g

Actually it has more to do with springs and valves seating themselves at the pressure you dialed in. Theres nothing inside a reg that moves with every shot, the stem may move a hair due to small pressure drops every time you fire, but theres nothing inside that moves and slides on orings as described above.

I got your package out by the way WC

Well, like I said, it could be disputed. lol
This is how I understood it, but its obvious I need to look into this thing more now.
This animation shows o-rings inside the reg of an ion, so you can see where I assumed that this is what was breaking in.>
http://www.zdspb.com/media/tech/anim...perrender3.gif

PS. Thanks for the info on the package! Cant wait to test that grip out in person.