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Old 06-13-2009, 01:33 PM
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R/T & Cyclone Test

Well, Chl2onic and I finally got around to finishing this test. We've been working on this test for quite a while. I also need to thank Docman who sent me some 1/8" fittings and hose for this test!

Purpose of this test
This test was conducted in order to elaborate on consistency concerns of using a R/T, and to compare the use of 1/8" line to the use of 1/16" line. We also conducted the test with both CO2 and HPA because many people advocate the use of CO2 as a better power source when using a R/T.

Gear Used
My 72/3,000 Pure Energy tank was hooked up to my A-5:
  • Single Ported Receiver(polished)
  • Stock Internals
  • Complete TechT Cyclone
  • 12" C-Series Barrel
  • Opsgear Remote connected to the Tombstone

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Data
R/T Test - HPA/CO2 - 1/16" & 1/8"

The Receiver hole was plugged and HPA was connected. 40 shots were fired and the fps was recorded. This gives us a solid foundation upon which to compare the R/T, Cyclone, and R/T w/Cyclone by comparing them directly to the fps of the A-5 without any other air sources.

As you can see from the data, the A-5 without any air attachments is the most consistent with a Std Dev of 1.68 for HPA & 3.16 for CO2.

Once you attach either a R/T or a Cyclone you will notice that the FPS drops as air is being diverted to the R/T or Cyclone. You will also notice that the Std Dev rises. My thoughts on this are that the air being diverted becomes more turbulent in the confined space of the airlines leading to the R/T or Cyclone.

It is apparent that the R/T uses more air than the Cyclone. Although when both the R/T and the Cyclone are connected, the air usage of both of them together is not the combined total of when they are measured individually. This is especially apparent in the 1/8" line on HPA; the combined R/T and Cyclone uses less air than the R/T independently. It is also important to note that the Std Dev of the R/T & Cyclone is always less than the R/T individually, but always more than the Cyclone individually.

Is CO2 or HPA better for a R/T?
I don't think I can put a Yes or No on this question as the lowest operating pressure was not tested, but I do believe that from a consistency stand point it is very safe to say that HPA has the upper hand. While HPA does have a lower Std Dev all across the board, it is important to note that CO2 will give a higher FPS than HPA, and if your Cyclone can't operate at a low pressure, CO2 may be needed in order to divert more pressure to feed the R/T and Cyclone.

Should I use 1/16" or 1/8" lines for my Cyclone &/or R/T?
From a consistency stand point, using 1/8" lines with HPA will yield the best results. With the 1/8" lines, you will use a little more gas because the 1/8" is effectively four times larger than the 1/16", but the consistency that you will gain is quite an improvement over the 1/16".

With CO2, it seems that the 1/16" lines perform better overall, mainly because the 1/8" appears to "gobble up" the gas in exchange for minor consistency improvement.

Conclusion
In the end, I would say simply this; If you want consistency then you want to use the 1/8" lines, if you want the most shots per tank use the 1/16" lines.
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Old 06-13-2009, 03:18 PM
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Re: R/T & Cyclone Test

consistency consistency consistency consistency consistency consistency

Nice test there..
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Re: R/T & Cyclone Test

Good deal Kra. I was wondering about the 1/8 lines.
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Re: R/T & Cyclone Test

Now I just need to find a complete 1/8th line kit...Tippmann parts doesn't carry them anymore.
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Re: R/T & Cyclone Test

Nice test! A lot of people have been wondering how the R/T uses gas compared to say the Cyclone. Well done.

Oh, quick question. Was the same type of banjo used on the receiver or did it depend on what was being used? For example, L-shaped for Cyclone or RT but T-shaped for both.
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Re: R/T & Cyclone Test

Great test fellas. Now you have shown me that getting the 1/8 fittings and lines will be better for my setup.
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Re: R/T & Cyclone Test

So if i have a dual port receiver and run a 1/8 hose on the bottom port from the RT,then run a 1/16 hose for the cyclone on the top port would that be the best set up available or does the cyclone require the 1/8 hose as well, running it threw the single port with the t bango is that less efficient then a dual port set up?I have been struggling with this for a bit as I have the 1/8 tubing on a single port and by the cyclone 1/8 tubing there is a small brass piece in the tube that limits air to the cyclone and was wondering if I should use both ports and the 1/16 on the cylcone since the cyclone 1/8 hose has been limited with this brass piece?
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Nice test! A lot of people have been wondering how the R/T uses gas compared to say the Cyclone. Well done.

Oh, quick question. Was the same type of banjo used on the receiver or did it depend on what was being used? For example, L-shaped for Cyclone or RT but T-shaped for both.
Yes, 'L' fittings were used for the single component tests, and 'T' fittings were used for the double component tests.
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I wonder what role the banjo has with the efficiency of each component. Can the T-banjo completely seal off in one direction or does it have to flow out through both?
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I wonder what role the banjo has with the efficiency of each component. Can the T-banjo completely seal off in one direction or does it have to flow out through both?
It has to flow through both, unless a plug of some sort was inserted into the open end. Of course it would most definitely blow right out the end.
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