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Old 07-31-2009, 08:58 PM
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Re: Empty Gel Caps?

Another huge factor could be the friction from the rubber on the inside of the launcher. Lubing the inside of the barrel could help?

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Old 07-31-2009, 10:32 PM
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Re: Empty Gel Caps?

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Another huge factor could be the friction from the rubber on the inside of the launcher. Lubing the inside of the barrel could help?

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With the sabots I was using, the balloon itself never touched the barrel.
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Re: Empty Gel Caps?

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well I'll not comment on the oddities of an EMS guy.........if I need artificial respiration.........just let me die k? lol!

on the pill size...........maybe you need to check out veterinarian supplies.
I figure they'd make livestock suppositories about the size you'd need them. Course you'd be to busy chuckling at what you were about to launch at some poor fool to be very accurate in your shots!

We need to do something to kill time, you can only spend so much time getting paid to sleep and watch movies...

As for veterinary suppliers, that's where I found the SU 07 size gel caps. I doubt many people would swallow a 3.5"x1" capsule...
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Re: Empty Gel Caps?

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We need to do something to kill time, you can only spend so much time getting paid to sleep and watch movies...

As for veterinary suppliers, that's where I found the SU 07 size gel caps. I doubt many people would swallow a 3.5"x1" capsule...

lol! feel bad for that cow! MAAAAOOOOOOOO!
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Re: Empty Gel Caps?

Red Dog you are scaring me man... I too have been fiddling around with the same idea on the gelatin thread.

i bought 2 boxes of Gelatin last Sunday at the supermarket to do just what you are suggesting. I found a link on the net a few weeks back on making "Gelatin Plastic" using off -the-shelf gelatin powder that could be tuned to making a capsule type device in 2 pieces with the right mold. Make a top and a bottom, 30mm in OD, make it look like a big pill, one side longer that the other, fill up the long side just before play drop it into a cardboard sabot with a paper "accordion" spring buffer... make whatever number you need for the for the day, haul the paint grenade and and sabot in plastic tubes in a modded bandoleer our pouch of some sort..

now the question is , will a commercial field let you use them, or would this only be viable for outlaw games.

I've got everything pout together and gonna make the caps tomorrow. had to make a mold for the cap first. I'll post up pics of the process if it works out..

I also intend to use this similar design (minus the spring and jsut using wadding) for a "grapeshot SABOT of paintballs.

here is my crude diagram...


Your idea for using these SU07 Gelcaps is great though, have you found a source to buy them.

The table at this site shows that the SU07 holds 1 OZ. Not too bad for a 1 inch by 3.5 inch projectile.




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In my never ending quest to make new and better grenades to be fired from my Havoc Launcher, I stumbled upon an idea...

I've pretty much given up on trying to launch paint filled balloons. No matter what I do, they just burst when fired. The only way I've found to consistently make them work is by covering them with papermache, which is just too time consuming and messy.

Surgical tubing grenades work, but the triggers are unreliable.

So then I thought about making essentially a giant paintball. My plan was to make a mold, and simply poor a gelatin mixture into it. Then use a syringe to inject paint and seal the hole up. But again, it's a rather time consuming process.

But then it hit me... Why not use something similar that's already being made by someone else... Empty gel caps! Simply buy a bunch of them, and fill them with paint. Of course your local GNC isn't going to stock empty gel caps that are large enough to be of much use. But a quick search of the wonderful internet, proves once again that you can find anything if you look hard enough (well, anything except albino porn that is... really, if you don't believe me look for yourself). The largest size I've found so far is the SU 07 size, which is 88.5mm long with a diamter of 23.4mm. Still a little small for my uses, but maybe if I tried to glue three of them together it could work...
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Re: Empty Gel Caps?

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Red Dog you are scaring me man... I too have been fiddling around with the same idea on the gelatin thread.

i bought 2 boxes of Gelatin last Sunday at the supermarket to do just what you are suggesting. I found a link on the net a few weeks back on making "Gelatin Plastic" using off -the-shelf gelatin powder that could be tuned to making a capsule type device in 2 pieces with the right mold. Make a top and a bottom, 30mm in OD, make it look like a big pill, one side longer that the other, fill up the long side just before play drop it into a cardboard sabot with a paper "accordion" spring buffer... make whatever number you need for the for the day, haul the paint grenade and and sabot in plastic tubes in a modded bandoleer our pouch of some sort..

now the question is , will a commercial field let you use them, or would this only be viable for outlaw games.

I've got everything pout together and gonna make the caps tomorrow. had to make a mold for the cap first. I'll post up pics of the process if it works out..

I also intend to use this similar design (minus the spring and jsut using wadding) for a "grapeshot SABOT of paintballs.

here is my crude diagram...


Your idea for using these SU07 Gelcaps is great though, have you found a source to buy them.

The table at this site shows that the SU07 holds 1 OZ. Not too bad for a 1 inch by 3.5 inch projectile.


Very similar to what I had in mind. Though mine would be a bit larger since it's for a Havoc launcher. I was thinking more of doing the shell in one piece and then adding a flat bottom piece after filling. I think that would make filling easier than two halves of equal size. What formula are you using for the gelatin? What did you use for a mold?

I've found one supplier that will ship smaller quantities (ie less than one case). Package of 50 for $51.

Empty Gelatin Capsules - SPI Supplies

Also found a company that will make custom sizes, but I suspect the quantities involved and costs would be prohibitive.

Veterinary Capsules, Soluble Containers, Gelatin Capsules, Rat Capsules, Capsule Fillers, Encapsulators from Torpac Capsules

I have two local fields that are fine with launching surgical tubing grenades. I doubt I'll have any trouble with these.
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Re: Empty Gel Caps?

I wonder what the paint filled practice grenades we use in the military are made of? Of course I bet one of those M203 practice rounds would still kill a person.
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Re: Empty Gel Caps?

I think your are probably referring to the M781 round that has an orange powder fill.



They would certainly do some serious damage if fired from a real 203 at a human.

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