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View Poll Results: What kind of camo do you wear?
All terrain 21 5.36%
BDUs 88 22.45%
ACUs 48 12.24%
MARPAT 79 20.15%
Specialops Digi 50 12.76%
Specialops Omnipat 18 4.59%
Bushrag/ghillie 16 4.08%
Mossy Oak/Real Tree 36 9.18%
Olive Drab Uniform (WWII U.S. camo) 15 3.83%
other 110 28.06%
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Old 07-04-2008, 05:42 PM
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Jungle Tigerstripes and Digital tigerstripes if the occasion calls for it.
Hey cdn rogue, you in or do you just wear cadpat for fun? If you're
in whats your trade? Also... if you're in you know better. You shouldn't
wear your cadpat outside of work man.

Well the truth of the matter is, and this the law, "you are not allowed to wear, sell, or buy military issued ICE for none military use". Well the beauty is, mine is not military issued! As you know ICE (Genuine CADPAT) has four distinct features that the Frontenac or Parklands are not allowed to duplicate...
1. The fabric. It is not a standard two or three material composite. It is a fabric reserved for mil. use only.
2. All Canadian ICE (CADPAT) has a weaved maple leaf within the material. This shows it is genuine,
3. The special coatings on the fabric. I am no means an expert, but I hear there is a special IR coating.
4. Not allowed to have the high collar or velcro patches.(ICE CADPAT Only).

SO the answer to your underlying question, is, yes I wear CADPAT but it is not government issued and from a far, you would never know. For those fields that ban the use of CADPAT, real or fake, then you might as well ban MARPAT cause it is the same thing, just American owned, but based on the same principles.
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I know what cadpat is, I know what the rules are, I wear it every day. Its my job. I dont care about the law, I just think its wrong that's all. It should be illegal down in the US to wear marpat, but its not. The military down there sells their stuff civvy side, they dont care. Up here, if its in service its not allowed. If you wore MARPAT up here, it wouldnt matter. Its canada not the US, same thing reversed with cadpat in the US, wouldn't matter. I'm just a very strong believer in the idea that you should not wear, for recreational purposes or otherwise; the pattern of your country's service uniform. Unless its your job, don't wear it, find another type of camouflage. Its just a respect thing, Im not ripping on ya dude, im just saying its not right. If its out of service I.E OD, Woodland or whatever then there's nothing wrong. Even though it is legal, and sold everywhere, its still wrong.

And yes to answer your hearsay, CADPAT is IR treated. It cannot be distinguished by night vision systems. Its more the pattern that disrupts NVG systems than anything else.
Hence the name CADPAT (Canadian Disruptive pattern) A cool little tidbit: Canada is the first nation to develop Digital Camouflage, and is the first nation to have uniforms that
are IR treated and cannot be seen by night vision systems. The united states tried to rip this off with their original incarnation of MARPAT... Which looked like puke. (Really, It did)
But alas, they have mastered their rip-off. It works good.

Just to reiterate, its just a respect thing. Dont wear the uniform if you haven't earned it, and if you have, dont abuse it. I dont wear it paintballing and I have 3 sets issued to me.
I wear jungle tigerstripes. Good enough for me.
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I don't like that the conversation has gone this way, but since it has, I might as well jump on the wagon!

First off, being an American, I am not ashamed to admit that the Canadians were the first for the digital. I deal a lot with military history FOR the military, and we admit that we "ripped it off." The US also likes to add though, however, that we simply made an improvement on a "base model." lol

Second, your topic of respect and wearing the uniforms seems a bit tainted, don't you think? Because a uniform is "in service" it deserves the respect, but past uniforms, or better yet, the people that wore them, don't??? The tiger stripe that you seem to think is (in your opinion) OK to wear on the paintball field, was once worn by distinguished men that "earned" the right to wear it during the Vietnam era. These were mainly Special Forces Units. Those guys don't deserve the respect you speak of? Just like a HUGE article I did when the Army switched to everyone wearing a black beret..........HUGE mistake. What about the old boys that EARNED that beret? What a gigantic slap in the face for them now that every Tom, Dick, and Harry gets to wear one.

Perhaps when an individual wears the uniform onto the paintball field, he/she just might be doing it out of respect to the uniform, or it's wearers. He/she chose it over all others. It is a discussion that could go on for days due to the amount of camo that is out there, still in commission, or not.

I believe respecting your flag, your soldiers, their uniforms, and everything on that level is honorable. And I also understand that if you are currently in service, well, you simply have rules YOU have to follow. But he did mention that there are many differences between the issued ICE and what he is sporting.
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First off, being an American, I am not ashamed to admit that the Canadians were the first for the digital. I deal a lot with military history FOR the military, and we admit that we "ripped it off." The US also likes to add though, however, that we simply made an improvement on a "base model." lol
Almost right on! It's like TechT & Wargear; TechT developed the squishy paddles & Wargear improved on the original design.

And technically it was not the Canadians or U.S. Marines but the U.S. Army that pioneered Digital Camouflage: see article July 13, 2004 Dual Texture - U.S. Army digital camouflage

This article is a great read; Digital Camouflage History. It says that the U.S. didn't steal anything, but the Canadian government supplied information & manufactures to help the Marines with the computer generated Digital pattern.

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Well, all I can say is that my grand father and father fought for my right to do what I want.

I say "HOG WASH" to your comments Patno. It is not the BDU that makes it wrong. It is what you do with it that makes it wrong. Fake or real isn't even the discussion. Wearing it isn't even the discussion.

As they say, "We fought so you can have the freedom to do what you want as long as it doesn't affect other people!" And if wearing fake CADPAT for paint ball makes me happy, then go for it. I am not worried about disrespecting you, it is disrespecting those who have died!

I am not going to be your poster child for anti CADPAT, MARPAT argument. There are alot of people who wear real CADPAT, MARPAT, tiger stripes, bla bla bla. With your thinking, everyone is disrespecting some one who was in service at one time. A lot of people died wearing Tigerstripes in wars. If anything, you yourself is also disrespecting those in who died in service, so please be aware of your own actions. Out of service or not. Are you saying that those who have died, the uniforms they proudly wore are "out of service" and don't demand the respect? I know you are not saying this, but your language is pointing to that. My CADPAT and your tiger stripes, using your words, are still disrespectful, whether they be real, fake, in service or out of service. So if I must stop wearing mine, you must stop wearing yours! We will have to go in our birthday suits... ouch!

My grandfather sees it a bit different, he actually enjoys watching us gear up. He says it pays homage to those who died for us to be able to do this. So for someone with 4 bullets still him, I will take his word over yours.

Well this will not be settled between you and me and nor should it be. I will wear what I want and you will wear what you want. It is not me you should worry about. Our own soldiers are selling this stuff on ebay for money. I bought mine from a CPgear which is known to sell fake CADPAT. If I bought the real stuff, then you can chew me out all day long!
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Thanks for being in the service, people don't thank our military enough.
If I was given a pair of real ICE CADPAT, I would not wear them out on the field as I feel it would not be right. I support fully the "Cloth the Soldier" program and it should stay with the soldier and not on ebay! Hence, the governments public encouragment on CBC for civs to purchase the fake stuff, it keeps the real stuff in the hands of the people who need them!

If you need to argue this more, take it the mil forums where there is all ready a lengthy discussion of service men and women arguing both ways! Lets not do this here!

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