Pro Hormones

[Sk8erMacLean]

Hey team. I'm about to start (tomorrow, actually) on a pro hormone cycle. I'm taking IBE Epistane and RPN Havoc for my chems, with Anabolic Innovation's Cycle Support to keep my systems in line and safe, then for post I'm using Gaspari Nutrition Novedex XT, Anabolic Innovation's Post Cycle Support, and keeping on the Cycle Support. I'm 153 right now, should be up to 167 by the end of the first four weeks, then I'll level out at around 163, 165 by the time post is over.

[zulu]

Although I'm not as well versed as I'd like to be on the subject, I'm always leery of HRT/HT in healthy individuals. You're going to do what you're going to do, but be careful, be safe and watch that dosing.

[Sk8erMacLean]

I've done cycles like this before, always with the proper protection. The Cycle Support keeps everything in order for me. Steroids and pro hormones get a bad rap because of those people who abuse them. They are actually perfectly safe if used in low quantities and without stopping cold turkey. Thats when your regular hormones produced by your body become completely out of wack, due to sudden drops in testosterone. A propper post-cycle eilimates this estrogen buildup by blocking it and keeping your junk lookin good

[shartley]

Originally Posted by zulu

Although I'm not as well versed as I'd like to be on the subject, I'm always leery of HRT/HT in healthy individuals. You're going to do what you're going to do, but be careful, be safe and watch that dosing.

I agree. And personally I think if you NEED all that stuff you should not be trying to do what you are trying to do. It is one thing using protein supplements and other things... but when you get into Pro Hormones and Steroids you are asking for problems.

And the "it is safe unless it is abused" arguments don't hold much water with me... I have seen the long term problems even what would be considered "safe and moderate" use can cause. But folks want a fast quick fix to their desires. And to me, a gain of 15 lbs in a month only to level out at a 10 lb gain overall.... I suggest eating more and working harder/smarter.

But to each their own. Good luck and I hope things work out for you.

[EcdrAceofSpades]

Originally Posted by Sk8erMacLean

I've done cycles like this before, always with the proper protection. The Cycle Support keeps everything in order for me. Steroids and pro hormones get a bad rap because of those people who abuse them. They are actually perfectly safe if used in low quantities and without stopping cold turkey. Thats when your regular hormones produced by your body become completely out of wack, due to sudden drops in testosterone. A propper post-cycle eilimates this estrogen buildup by blocking it and keeping your junk lookin good

yeah exactly, that's the point I'm always trying to make. Most people hear drugs and freak out, but they forgot to realize that most drugs were created with specific purpose, some of them maybe created by accident, but overall is up to u to mke the best out of them. All in all is a matter of using our knowledge as mankind and make the best out of it.

people tend to only keep the bad things abot debatable topics, is a suvival mechanism, but sometmes it gets to the point that ignorance pushes the judgement of individuals not to mention that there is also a lot of hypocrecy anyway, spcially between people who use steroids and hormones. Most of them will tell most people to not take it while they do it. Not that I have ever taken steroids but I have done my research and all this I know out of experience.

I'm the type of person that will research into something and if it works for me I'll take a second look into it.

Good luck with the cycle dude, just be careful, seems that you have your stuff in order but still watch out there is alot of fake stuff circulating around

[shartley]

Originally Posted by EcdrAceofSpades

yeah exactly, that's the point I'm always trying to make. Most people hear drugs and freak out, but they forgot to realize that most drugs were created with specific purpose, some of them maybe created by accident, but overall is up to u to mke the best out of them. All in all is a matter of using our knowledge as mankind and make the best out of it.

people tend to only keep the bad things abot debatable topics, is a suvival mechanism, but sometmes it gets to the point that ignorance pushes the judgement of individuals not to mention that there is also a lot of hypocrecy anyway, spcially between people who use steroids and hormones. Most of them will tell most people to not take it while they do it.

Not that I have ever taken steroids but I have done my research and all this I know out of experience, I'm the type of person that will research into something and if it works for me I'll take a second look into it.

Good luck with the cycle dude, just be careful, seems that you have your stuff in order but still watch out there is alot of fake stuff circulating around

Just to clarify... my opinions on the matter are not based on irrational or uneducated opinions.

And with that, I will back out of this thread. I have been around long enough to know that nothing I say will matter and folks will just get all worked up.

[EcdrAceofSpades]

Originally Posted by shartley

Just to clarify... my opinions on the matter are not based on irrational or uneducated opinions.

And with that, I will back out of this thread. I have been around long enough to know that nothing I say will matter and folks will just get all worked up.

yeah I know, you sounds like you know what you are talking about.

either way whatever we say most of the time will get a person or two worked up about controversial topics... maybe because...roid rage? hehe

[Sk8erMacLean]

Sam, knowing you (through the forum, at least) I know that you've had awesome results without using anything, and I respect the hell out of that. I also know enough not to worry about somebody elses opinion being different than mine, espeically with something as controversial as 'roids and PH, and DEFINATELY it's not something to get mad or worked up about. It's the way things work, ya know? Some people may have problems with it, negative side effects, etc, but in my experience, and in all of my friend's years of experience with doing these types of cycles, there have never been any problems. I don't doubt that others have done the exact thing and been messed up by it... The body is funny like that, eh? And I certainly don't bash you or anybody else for their opinions (negative or otherwise) about this. I just wanted to share what I'm doing with the rest of the Operators. Cheers guys

[shartley]

Thank you both for your positive responses. This can indeed be a controversial issue, and I hope others who decide to post comments continue in the respectful and positive way we have seen so far, even if in dissagreement.

[Surfin Bird]

As long as it's done in a safe and well dosed way, I see no problems. Like with anything, if you abuse it, you only end up abusing yourself. If I rub anyone the wrong way, I apologize.