Ok i really for a while wanted to get a pump but i'm so broke. So a month ago i was board and told on facebook that i wished that i had a new project marker. Ten minuites later one of my friend messaged me saying that he had to pumps. And said he'd sell both for...I kid you not...$25!!!! I said sure and we met later that week to exchange cash for the markers. So... here they are:



Ok i found out the top one it is a WWP (world wide paintball) Razerback III made in the late 1980's.




Now here is where i need help, the bottom pump has no identifying marks from who the maker was or anything.










Also the barrel threads are unique. I have never seen anything like them.



Does any body have any info on this marker?

Thanks in advance!

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hm, your razorback is the same as a trracer/maverick. the un id'd marker i cant help you with. I ALMOST said it
was a trracer/mav but then i noticed the pump arm was different. Im not sure, but its SIMILAR to the trracer/mav
thats forsure.

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hmm. some kind of phantom clone. i dont know my inline pumps that well, but i doubt its a real phantom.

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I know i got the same answers when i took it to my local paintball shop...it is driving me crazy! Why hasn't anybody ever seen a marker like this...weird.

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dig through the pics here.

That's how I finally identified my Air Power Apex

If it's not a phantom, it's one hell of a knockoff, from the trigger guard to the under-barrel cocking rod. I just looked through every picture at VintageRex and the Phantom is the only one (with an available image) with that shape trigger guard and an M16 grip. Maybe you could drop him a line and some pictures and see if it's the genuine article.

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if those are proprietary threads, they may be traccer/maverick threads

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Update.

I just noticed that the manufacturer for the grips on both guns seems to be the same. I would research this angle further, starting with WWP, as it was the manufacturer name cast into the grip on mine, "Air Power", that finally helped me identify the marker.

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* latest sniper build * rear cocking handle mod * silencer how-to * closed bolt conversion * sniper resources *Operation Cheap Stock
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yeah those grips were all manufactured at the same place back then, I think even my tippmann smg's grips were made there.
that could be an early phantom

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Don't go by the grip. Just about everyone used or replaced the grip with the same model/type. There weren't as many choices then as there are today.

As previously mentioned, the Razorback is a clone of the PMI Tracer...
Parts are interchangeable...

The 2nd looks like a first run Phantom, with the Trigger Frame sanded and repainted. The first paint job/finishes on the frames were notoriously bad, and would start coming off(especially with the chemical make up of the old paintballs). Most people would just sand them and repaint them, rather then get a new frame. The trigger looks like some one replaced it with a homemade one, Which was also common to do in the old days. Spare parts were not always readily available(or might not have even existed), so you made do(even if you had to make it yourself).

Even the threading on the barrel looks like the original Phantom Threading.